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homebaseAug 26, 2004 2:43pm
Okay, I understand. You don't use it as a foundation for other beliefs. It's not connected.

It makes sense. Religious people can associate, or connect in their mind, various things with God: morals, meaning of life, whatever. If you don't have a thing in your mind representing God, then there is nothing to connect anything to.
71110Aug 26, 2004 2:54pm
30: Because it sounded like faux-intellectualism which is one of my "pet peeves", sorry if I offended you. There's been a bit of talk about the ramming of views down people's throats in this thread, I find it hard to see how anyone can ram their view down your throat on the internet.

I still stick by my point though, atheism is atheism and there's really no need to think up new sub-categories or labels (Isn't that part of the problem anyway?) especially as I'm sure the vast majority of atheists fall into the same category as you. My 2c as usual.

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stringoAug 27, 2004 12:33am
31. Exactly. Why couldn't I have put it that simply in the first place? Thanks.

32. I don't want to intellectualise anything. Now that Hb has said what I was trying to say, we can throw out my 'active/passive' phrase. It's not needed anymore! I essentially agree with you. I was referring more to what people DO with their atheism (or theism), not what 'category' of atheist people are.

But what does '2c' mean?
71110Aug 27, 2004 3:28am
2 cents.
115453Aug 27, 2004 3:53am
so ...now that we we all are in step, which i believe is NONSENSE...since there are varying degrees of atheism.
For example: there are atheists that can take it or leave it. there are atheists that are open to proof, for whatever reason. There are atheists that are having none of it. this is true from what i've read. i fall into the "having none of it" category. i believe that's the "official" atheistic viewpoint. But, apparently there ARE other angles that have been explored and , perhaps, in some circles, encouraged.
Does anyone know the difference between agnostics and atheists?

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stringoAug 27, 2004 4:06am
35 "Does anyone know the difference between agnostics and atheists?"

Joewalp said this earlier in the thread:

"Weak atheism, or negative atheism, is the standpoint that there is no reason to believe that any particular god exists. A weak atheist sees no reality in any god he's been told about, and doesn't expect to ever find a god he can believe is real. This is not equivalent to agnosticism; an agnostic believes he does not or can not have enough information to say for certain whether any gods exist."

I do know some people who call themselves Agnostics, and use the term to mean something like "I don't think I believe there is a god, but I could not be bothered thinking about it right now, so I'll get back to it later"
johno95Aug 27, 2004 4:33am
35: I've always heard of your last stated definition of an agnotic. If you prove to to me, then I will come.

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joewalpAug 27, 2004 5:09am
The first definition for agnostic quoted in post 36 is the one given by Bertrand Russell, who coined the term.
71110Aug 27, 2004 5:40am
35: There are varying degrees of hair colour as well but we don't all go around giving it out as an RGB value. That was my bone of contention. Nit picking and semantics get in the way of real discussion.

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stringoAug 27, 2004 6:00am
I never tried to (sub)categorise anything. I was just stating what I do with my belief/non-belief....So what is it you would like to discuss?


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